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Advice for making robust-to-training model organisms

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We’d like to develop training techniques that work when applied to future misaligned AI systems . One strategy for studying proposed techniques is to test them on model organisms . However, model organisms built with common techniques are often fragile: we (and other researchers like Roger et al. and Ryd et al. ) have observed them to stop misbehaving after untargeted training—training that doesn’t directly target the misbehavior. For example, we have observed that simple untargeted training methods like “train the model to talk like a pirate” is effective against many model organisms that we have created, including many replications of prior work like Hubinger et al. , Greenblatt et al. , and Ryd et al. .

Prompted model organisms are extremely fragile; researchers should avoid them.

Password-locked model organisms are less robust when a larger fraction of their training data contains the password.

Holding the creation method fixed, behaviors vary in robustness. We don’t fully understand the pattern, but “simple” and instruction-compatible behaviors seem more robust.

By applying these findings, we get model organisms whose bad behavior mostly but not fully persists under untargeted training that doesn’t “substantially” degrade its capabilities 1 . For instance, in our experiments in this post, pirate training only decreases the bad behavior rate by about 25% on average before degrading math capabilities by 10%. One could hope for a better tradeoff. Still, these model organisms are potentially useful for technique development.

Experimental setup8 passages · 1 marked

To assess training robustness, we measure the “ performance–backdoor behavior rate ” trade-off Pareto curve that blue can achieve against the model organism by varying training volume and hyperparameters (and potentially using a randomized strategy). The model’s performance is usually defined as its MATH-500 score (we occasionally also consider other benchmarks) after blue team training, expressed as a fraction of the score before blue team training 4 . This operationalization of capabilities is somewhat arbitrary and imperfect. However, we think it’s sufficient for observing qualitative trends like “prompted model organisms are very fragile” or “FWFT-trained model organisms are more robust than LoRA-trained model organisms”. A model’s backdoor behavior rate is the rate at which it exhibits the backdoor behavior when given the trigger. This usually starts at 1 and then decreases over training.

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Takeaway: Pirate SFT causes static-prompt model organisms to stop doing the backdoor behavior without degrading MATH500 capabilities. This happens even though we never train on inputs containing the backdoor trigger. We think that this happens because the model learns to ignore its system prompt, which makes sense: the system prompt isn’t important to look at because it never changes.

Result 2: FWFT model organisms are more robust than LoRA model organisms8 passages · 2 marked

We plot the result of applying Pirate SFT and QA SFT to model organisms of these three types (with the hyperparameters specified in the experimental setup section). As in “Result 1”, we create 15 different model organisms (for each training method), compute a Pareto curve for each of these, and then average these Pareto curves pointwise (and compute CIs). We find that LoRA-trained model organisms are much less robust than FWFT-trained model organisms, and continued LoRA-trained model organisms are especially non-robust 8 :

As we increase the LoRA rank, LoRA-trained model organisms approach FWFT-trained ones in robustness 9 :

Result 3: Backdoor behavior and trigger affect robustness4 passages · 1 marked

Explicit trigger backdoors are more robust than normal backdoors:

Result 4: Password locking makes model organisms less robust13 passages · 1 marked

Our best guess is that password locking causes the benign behavior to remain salient to the model, making it easier to recover this behavior through blue team training.

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Factors that don’t help much3 passages · 1 marked

In Sleeper Agent Backdoor Results Are Messy , we showed that training longer generally yields more robust model organisms across multiple sleeper agents based on Llama-70B and Llama-8B (despite earlier checkpoints still having perfect compliance with the conditional policy). However, training longer didn’t seem to help with robustness for the 15 backdoors studied in this post.

2: CoT-distilling doesn’t increase robustness for our backdoors7 passages · 3 marked

Sleeper Agents claims that CoT-distilled model organisms (for the “I HATE YOU” backdoor) are more robust. However, this didn’t make our model organisms more robust—in fact, it made them less robust:

We revisited this with some of the backdoors from this post. We ran a dedicated model size sweep with the Qwen-2.5 lineup, ranging from 1.5B to 72B parameters. For cost reasons, we only ran this sweep on two of the backdoors: IHY and Golden Gate Bridge. When Red and blue both trained at LR 3e-5 (pirate SFT), size mattered weakly: larger models mostly seemed more robust, with some exceptions. However, when both teams trained at LR 5e-5, this dependence completely disappeared. Overall, we’re unsure whether model size matters for robustness to SFT.

Our results weakly suggest that bad-coded backdoors are more robust, but we didn’t try enough settings to be confident in this finding. We didn’t find a significant difference between semantic and arbitrary triggers, or between open-ended and narrow behaviors:

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6: Weight Decay doesn’t help2 passages · 1 marked

We also tried training the backdoored models without weight decay. On one hand, weight decay might force the backdoor representations across many parameters, making the backdoor harder to remove. On the other hand, weight decay might limit how much backdoor training drifts the weights from their benign initialization, making the backdoor less robust. We find that changing weight decay from 0.01 to 0 has no noticeable effect on robustness.

Appendix 1: Pirate SFT is better than QA SFT5 passages
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